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Now, I completely understand that most of you here are Colts fans, and while I feel for your teams loss last night (not really) and hope that Collie is ok (yeah really), I have to say, yesterday's game was one of the worst officiated games I have seen all year. Even though you are the fans and the calls went your way, do you dare agree?
Two calls come to mind:
The defenseless reciever call on the Collie hit. Now come on... That hit was called because the ump saw the result of the hit. It was not called on the actual hit. Collie caught the ball, turned around, took two steps, visibly covered up the ball to protect it, and lowered his helmet in preperation for the hit! Defenseless?? I dont think so. The helmet to helmet arguement doesnt hold much water either, because it was not intended, but rather incedental because the first clean hit pushed him into the other defenders helmet!
Second absolute terrible call, was the blow to the head call on Trent cole when barely brushed Peyton's helmet. Ugly Stuff....
Let the bashing begin, but seriously guys, that was one awful game by the refs...
Two calls come to mind:
The defenseless reciever call on the Collie hit. Now come on... That hit was called because the ump saw the result of the hit. It was not called on the actual hit. Collie caught the ball, turned around, took two steps, visibly covered up the ball to protect it, and lowered his helmet in preperation for the hit! Defenseless?? I dont think so. The helmet to helmet arguement doesnt hold much water either, because it was not intended, but rather incedental because the first clean hit pushed him into the other defenders helmet!
Second absolute terrible call, was the blow to the head call on Trent cole when barely brushed Peyton's helmet. Ugly Stuff....
Let the bashing begin, but seriously guys, that was one awful game by the refs...
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Usually when the officiating is that bad, you end up losing..
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Agree wholeheartedly. Especially when compared to what we've seen not called in the past.
The Collie hit was not ruthless, not against a "defenseless" player, and was a fumble. The helmet to helmet was not the cause of the concussion, but his head bouncing on the turf when going down.
The brush of 18's helmet in the rush was a good call, based on the rule. Its one of those no exception rules and had to be called. I will say there were many holds not called... pretty blatant ones at that.
The penalties didn't keep the Colts from winning nor cause Philly to win. 18 was pretty good despite being harassed more than usual and Vick was what he was suopposed to be. A major threat with his legs. Add in the tremendous passing effort on his part and we were in trouble from the get-go.
Had that opening run by the Eagles not put our D on their heels immediately, it may have been a different game altogether. You have to wonder if the MASH unit the Colts were fielding had some effect on the timing. Not an excuse, because injuries are part of the game, but certainly had a big effect on the offense's execution.
A good win for Philly. I wonder when the Colts bring back Marvin "the hitman" Hagler, er, Harrison... wonder if he was there?
The Collie hit was not ruthless, not against a "defenseless" player, and was a fumble. The helmet to helmet was not the cause of the concussion, but his head bouncing on the turf when going down.
The brush of 18's helmet in the rush was a good call, based on the rule. Its one of those no exception rules and had to be called. I will say there were many holds not called... pretty blatant ones at that.
The penalties didn't keep the Colts from winning nor cause Philly to win. 18 was pretty good despite being harassed more than usual and Vick was what he was suopposed to be. A major threat with his legs. Add in the tremendous passing effort on his part and we were in trouble from the get-go.
Had that opening run by the Eagles not put our D on their heels immediately, it may have been a different game altogether. You have to wonder if the MASH unit the Colts were fielding had some effect on the timing. Not an excuse, because injuries are part of the game, but certainly had a big effect on the offense's execution.
A good win for Philly. I wonder when the Colts bring back Marvin "the hitman" Hagler, er, Harrison... wonder if he was there?
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I will let Swanny slide since he is a youngster....BUT all the rest of the Philly fans AND players and coaches are BITCH BOYS.
Fucking punks.
They never change there....from santa to a nun those bitches would throw beer bottles at them.
This video show all of this and at the end in slow motion you see that bitch spear Collie in the side of his helmet with the TOP of his bitch helmet.
And then all those bitches jump and scream around the half alive player like they are pissed that he hasn't been rolled off the field so they can kick him when no camera's were on them.
I would love to punch the lights out of Asante Samuel that lil punk.
Fucking punks.
They never change there....from santa to a nun those bitches would throw beer bottles at them.
This video show all of this and at the end in slow motion you see that bitch spear Collie in the side of his helmet with the TOP of his bitch helmet.
And then all those bitches jump and scream around the half alive player like they are pissed that he hasn't been rolled off the field so they can kick him when no camera's were on them.
I would love to punch the lights out of Asante Samuel that lil punk.
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Too close to call for me, I honestly dont see a helmet to helmet shot.
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I was surprised by Andy Reid's comment after the game...
"The way the game is today, close things are going to be called in a safe direction,'' Reid said. "When you're in the heat of it, do you like it? No. (But) for the longevity of the players and life down the road, it's a good thing.
"The bottom line is, things like that are going to be called against you. ... Don't think the whole world is against you. You go in the tank that way, and you can't produce.''
This, IMHO, is a good perspective...live with the call and move on given that the call is in line with erring on the side of safety.
"The way the game is today, close things are going to be called in a safe direction,'' Reid said. "When you're in the heat of it, do you like it? No. (But) for the longevity of the players and life down the road, it's a good thing.
"The bottom line is, things like that are going to be called against you. ... Don't think the whole world is against you. You go in the tank that way, and you can't produce.''
This, IMHO, is a good perspective...live with the call and move on given that the call is in line with erring on the side of safety.
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cravnravn wrote:Too close to call for me, I honestly dont see a helmet to helmet shot.
Well yeah if you only watch the full speed....but that last slo-mo at the end is so easy to see that Stevie Wonder said he saw it!
Top of the helmet BASH into the side of Collies helmet and #42 does not have his hands,arms,or shoulder involved with the tackle.
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Magic, I just slowed it down again...
The key view is at seconds 33-34. If you look at #42 Curt Koleman in that view, it is very evident that he is not trying to throw a helmet to helmet hit on Collie. He is simply tracking the play like any good defensive player, getting ready to make a tackle. The bitch of this hit was that #27 Mikell had momentum from the opposite side, knocking Collie into Koleman.
Thanks Blue for the Andy comment, and as Andy did, I have moved on, I am just surprised at the officiating as a whole this year across the league...
Again, hopefully Collie is ok.
The key view is at seconds 33-34. If you look at #42 Curt Koleman in that view, it is very evident that he is not trying to throw a helmet to helmet hit on Collie. He is simply tracking the play like any good defensive player, getting ready to make a tackle. The bitch of this hit was that #27 Mikell had momentum from the opposite side, knocking Collie into Koleman.
Thanks Blue for the Andy comment, and as Andy did, I have moved on, I am just surprised at the officiating as a whole this year across the league...
Again, hopefully Collie is ok.
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You want some bad officiating? just look how the Ravens lost last night, the PI was made by Roddy White, not Josh Wilson.
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cravnravn wrote:You want some bad officiating? just look how the Ravens lost last night, the PI was made by Roddy White, not Josh Wilson.
At least they're being consistantly bad.
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First let me start by saying I'm a ten year state rated high school varsity ref. I have work semi pro football so what Im saying is from the view of a ref. We have meeting before games most games we meet two hours before the game. One of the lead topics is the letter we get from the state thagt tells us what they want us to look at this year . Head contact has been a topic for a few years now. So when we go out there we tend to look for the things we talk about so in other words if it is close we call it. We may say in the looker after the game we fucking blew the call, but you will never know that. The code of officals. The NFL has one over lying topic in those meeting and that is $$$$$$ and certain teams and players get treated different than others. One last thing I can change any game I work any ref can change the outcome of a game most of us don't but I have seen it done and it's a ugly thing. And the ref lost his job!
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