Unbelieveable

No one has come on here and started spouting off about the healthcare issues/bill.

Where are you politicos?

Uh, oh. You may have opened up a real can of worms, here Kurt. I can tell you that, in response to the Washington madness I made massive moves in my investments to protect my retirement income. One investment recommendation for all of you -- Invest in Hand Baskets!

I love it...Im blackballed with 2 current companies. 1 my wifes insurance company, good ole BC/BS and the other one is my life insurance policy which is also a Accident and Aflac type policy..Both Insurance Co's made me sign waivers on my pre-existing back injuries..So that anything that benefits me, (and trust me there were plenty of times I could have used some treatment on my back,) I'll take.

I have to do a little further research into the bill, it want written too well for the common folk to understand. I do have upcoming questions, the retirement is knocking on my door.

Don't worry, Kurt.....I"ve already been banned from the GOPUSA forum. I only post 12 times.



Let me put it to you bluntly: If we don't repeal this marxist third world takeover of our Republic this November.....a revolution is coming. If I were you guys, I'd be stocking up on supplies, including guns and bullets. I've been saying this for years.

mighty_colts wrote:Don't worry, Kurt.....I"ve already been banned from the GOPUSA forum. I only post 12 times.

Let me put it to you bluntly: If we don't repeal this marxist third world takeover of our Republic this November.....a revolution is coming. If I were you guys, I'd be stocking up on supplies, including guns and bullets. I've been saying this for years.

Pretty damn hard to purchase bullets in these parts, Mighty... not that I need them, of course. I just heard that... of course.

However, I really don't see needing supplies due to hiding in the woods... just don't see that happening. But I've been wrong before. Once, I think. (not counting BC picks... of course.)

Kurt, from what I'm hearing from you guys, this is more serious than you think. This is a big government takeover of our private lives, we are now a literal fascist state. Fascism is defined by government takeover of private business. We as a nation always fought AGAINST this. Now we ARE that. There are literally tens of millions of us who will not allow this to happen.

I'm thinking you boys haven't really been "taking the pulse" of what's happening out there, what people are saying....but I understand that. So I'll give you a heads up: If we can't repeal this thing in November, it is very possible that we could begin seeing a real push towards sucession from between 15 and 20 States, including the State I plan on moving to: Idaho.

I know that sounds wild, but that gives you an idea of just how serious this situation is. We're in trouble.

Mighty, I agree, I don't have my finger on the pulse. But, if your info is coming from the internet boards and the such... well I hope there's more than just that. Everyone talks the talk on the internet. When it comes right down to it, though... I have to wonder if they "talked a line of talk" that their real life couldn't walk.

I sure hope you're wrong. There is enough good about this country that should overshadow this bad. That's what made the fabric so strong. We'll tweak, change, endorse, and amend the bill until it scarcely resembles what we have on the table now.

I do believe the healthcare system needed an overhaul. I don't think this is the answer. However, someone had to do something to kick-start the process to get it fixed. Someone did that. Now we set out to make it palatable to the masses.

The cost thing... that doesn't bother me. We've operated for so long on a system where we can't pay for what we have that this too is no longer a concern. Hell, they'll just go print up some more money, or shuffel a few decimal points here and there and it'll all be ok again... sad, but true.

No, what I'm describing is the sentiment from the usual sources. I've been talking with military types, both active and retired, and they ALL say the same basic thing........"this isn't the country I swore an oath to defend". They are actually saying that.

This health care bill is outright total socialism/marxism/liberism. The middle class is intentionally being wiped out. Within a few years, all that will be left is two classes....90% poor who rely totally on government subsidies, and the 10% wealthy ruling class.

That is the exact same as any other third world toilet like in central and south america, cuba, ect.
Hugo Chavez is very proud of us for "seeing the light" and abandoning our evil Free Market Capitalist ways. Chavez is proud of us for abandoning our Founding Principals of self-reliance, the American Dream, small government and Independance. Chavez is proud of us for embracing the Truth.....total government control, a peasant population and a small wealthy ruling class.


Don't forget one interesting tidbit: It is generally accepted that only about 5% of the colonialists of the 13 colonies supported the Revolution. We took on the most powerful military in the world at the time.


We won.


Also interesting how at this time there are 13 States suing the fascist federal government. Some have already passed State law that gives immuniity to this federal health takeover (although federal law trumps State law....but you see where this is heading). All the other States are in the process of passing the same laws.


Mark my words.....if we don't repeal, we'll see Sucession. And I'll be right there in the front lines, locked and loaded. We can either reestablish the Constitutional Republic that we once were, or we can go back to the original government.....the Articles of Confederation. Either of those two forms of government is FAR better than the fascist marxist globalist dictatorship we now have.

That is the exact same as any other third world toilet like in central and south america, cuba, ect.
Hugo Chavez is very proud of us for "seeing the light" and abandoning our evil Free Market Capitalist ways. Chavez is proud of us for abandoning our Founding Principals of self-reliance, the American Dream, small government and Independance. Chavez is proud of us for embracing the Truth.....total government control, a peasant population and a small wealthy ruling class.


Somebody tell Chavez to give us some of that .10 a gallon fuel that he daily gives to Cuba

I know the topic of sucession is spooky, but it's important to be aware of what's happening in our country. To give you some perspective, here's an article on the current situtation:



The Ominous “S-Word” – Secession
By Timothy H. Lee
Thursday, March 25 2010

After 230 years, are the American people coursing toward eventual divorce?

Our polarized society increasingly ponders what would happen if American conservatives and liberals simply agreed that their differences had become irreconcilable, and redivided the nation to go their separate ways. Which side would prosper and experience an influx of migration from the other? Conversely, which side would likely become a fiscal and socio-political basket case?

Any reasonable person already knows the likely answer. One need only compare the smoldering wreckage wrought by liberal governance in such states as California or Michigan with the comparative prosperity created by conservative governance in such states as Texas or Utah. We can also examine the past 400 years, during which immigrants abandoned Europe for an America founded upon the fundamental principles of limited government and individual freedom.

Regardless, the above hypothetical has become increasingly frequent among both conservatives and liberals in recent years.

Following the 2004 election that they confidently expected would vindicate their 2000 rage and send President Bush back to Texas, liberals only half-jestfully proposed that “blue” states secede and join a new “United States of Canada.” Conservatives replied with a collective, “don’t let the screen door hit you in the [posterior] on your way out.”

Now, with this week’s passage of ObamaCare despite ferocious and widespread public opposition, the faint reverberations from that restive elephant in the room became even more pronounced. Consider the words of Dennis Prager, an intellectual whom no serious observer would label a bomb-thrower:

We are in a non-violent civil war. I write the words ‘civil war’ with an ache in my heart. But we are in one. Thank God this civil war is non-violent. But the fact is that the left and the rest of the country share almost no values. The American value system and the leftist value system are irreconcilable. If the left wins, America’s values lose. If American values prevail, the left loses. After Sunday’s vote, for the first time in American history, one could no longer confidently believe that the American system will prevail. And if we don’t fight for it, we don’t deserve it.

Or consider the commentary of Reason’s Tim Cavanaugh, who references the “s-word” in his article “The Rise of Decline:”

The recession has not just hustled the U.S. economy back to a late-20th-century state of nature that resists all efforts at reinflation, stimulus, and outcome management. It has created a conviction that American society itself, rather than just its institutions of government and public/private rent-seeking, is in collapse… We tend to miss something obvious: The problem isn’t that things are collapsing. It’s that not enough things are collapsing.

Even the mainstream Wall Street Journal ran a June 2009 weekend commentary on secessionist backlash entitled “Divided We Stand.”

For her part, Shikha Dalmia writes in her forbes.com commentary “Resisting ObamaCare, Gandhi Style” that Obama “might have set the stage for the largest civil disobedience movement since the civil rights era.” She notes that, “even if a few million Americans simultaneously refuse to abide by it or pay the fine, they could easily overwhelm the system.”

Whatever one’s views toward such sentiment, it is becoming increasingly difficult to deny the irreconcilable ideals of “red” and “blue” Americans despite efforts to reestablish unity. After all, George W. Bush won the presidency in 2000 on a record of bipartisanship following eight years of extreme acrimony during the Clinton era. Eight years later, the acrimony had only increased and Barack Obama disingenuously campaigned as a moderate promising a “post-partisan” administration.

Just one year into his tenure, however, America has become more resentfully divided than any time in generations. Conservative “Scoop Jackson” Democrats have become nearly non-existent, as have liberal “Rockefeller” Republicans.

How will this resolve? Will we collectively weather this protracted turbulence, or will the centrifugal forces only accelerate? Dissolution obviously remains highly unlikely, but Yale University’s Bruce Judson notes in his book It Could Happen Here: America on the Brink that:

The United States is not the Soviet Union. Our economy is not as terrible. Our government is not as despised. But nobody thought the U.S.S.R. could collapse. Could everyone be wrong again?

Thomas Jefferson wrote in our Declaration of Independence that irreconcilable values sometimes make it “necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another.” Jefferson further recognized the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, stating that “whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles.”

Those on the left, ephemerally content because they possess temporary political control, mock such wisdom as anachronistic. They would be prudent to recall, however, that they said the same thing about CNBC’s Rick Santelli just one year ago when he launched the Tea Party movement that now threatens to hurl their political control into the sea.

By the way, as you know, States are filing lawsuits against the federal government over the unconstitutional and fascist takeover of healthcare. These lawsuits will definately end up in the Supreme Court.

I'll tell you right now......if the Supreme Court rules in favor of the illegal federal takeover of healthcare, we will begin seeing a serious sucessionist movement in more than half the States, probably at least 30.

A proposed sucession will be on the ballots in those States, and the voters will decide.

Now, having said that, the republicans will try to defuse a sucession movement by "defunding" the federal healthcare takeover, starting this November. It is expected that republicans will retake control of the House and Senate.....so they will simply pass measures that will not allow one single dime to fund the federal healthcare takeover. And then in 2012, if republicans retake the White House along with majorities in Congress, then the federal healthcare takeover can be repealed.

So....if the Supreme Court rules in favor of the illegal federal healthcare takeover, and if the takeover is NOT repealed, then we WILL see sucession.


I should have saved all those posts from the old ESPN political board so I could read them again now......I was right all along!!!!

Here's an article about the lawsuit against the pinko fascists:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/29/health-care-mandate-at-court-steps/

Here's a possible alternative to outright sucession. Study this:

http://www.foavc.org/