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Post  Administrator on 3/4/2013, 7:47 am

Check out this article I just read.


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Not surprisingly, the mainstream media paid it little attention, but back in November the U.S. Supreme Court shocked many in the legal community by granting Liberty Counsel’s motion for a rehearing on its multi-pronged challenge to Obamacare. The high court ordered the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to rehear arguments. This is extremely rare and means, almost certainly, that Chief Justice Roberts will get another bite at the rotten apple — this time, with a whole new quiver of legal arrows.

Following the Supreme Court’s directive, Liberty Counsel recently filed its brief in the case of Liberty University v. Geithner. The Christian civil rights firm represents Liberty University and two private individuals in this case. While there are other legal challenges to the employer contraceptive/abortifacient mandate, Liberty Counsel’s is the most comprehensive case pending in the country.

The lawsuit challenges 1) the employer mandate for all employers; 2) the abortion mandate for religious employers; 3) the abortion mandate for individuals; and 4) the entire law because tax bills must originate in the House and Obamacare originated in the Senate.

This case is the only one in the country that challenges the entire employer mandate for all employers. Like other pending cases, Liberty Counsel’s also challenges the so-called “Preventative coverage” mandate, which requires employers to provide free contraceptives, sterilization, abortion-inducing drugs and IUDs, of which the latter two cause abortion.

Additionally, Obamacare compels individual citizens to violate their conscience by making them directly fund abortion homicide — both surgical and chemical — under penalty of law. It forces all employees who are part of a plan that offers abortion coverage to pay $1 per month directly to a “free” abortion fund. There is no opt-out provision, and information relative to which plans offer abortion is intentionally covered-up. This too is part of the case, so don’t let anyone tell you that Obamacare doesn’t require you to fund abortion on demand. If they do, they’re simply lying through their triple-grande-four-pump-hazelnut-mocha-stained teeth.

Finally, Liberty Counsel’s brief argues that Obamacare is invalid because, since it’s a tax — as the Supreme Court already ruled in June — it violates the Constitution’s Origination Clause. To pass constitutional muster, tax bills must originate in the House, not the Senate.

Before the Democrat-led Senate rammed it through in the dead of night, Christmas Eve 2009 — Senate President Harry Reid used a House bill unrelated to Obamacare, struck all the language and the title so that only the former HR number remained, and then inserted a new title and over 2,000 pages of job-killing, economy-crushing, health-care-rationing compost.

Sneaky? Yes. Typical? No doubt. Unconstitutional? Absolutely. It’s like dropping a Ford Pinto engine into a totaled Ferrari body, patching it up, and then selling it to some unsuspecting dupe as a “brand new Ferrari.”

Unfortunately, America was that unsuspecting dupe.

Well, the jig’s up. The Constitution is unambiguous on this matter: “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.” Const. art. I §7, cl. 1.

As Liberty Counsel’s brief notes, “Though denominated with a House bill number, the Act actually originated in the Senate, and therefore violates the Origination Clause.”

“Obamacare represents a frontal attack to religious freedom,” said Mat Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel. “Obamacare is a train about to collide with the fundamental right to free exercise of religion. Not only does Obamacare violate the rights of religious employers because of its abortion mandate, it violates the rights of individuals who oppose abortion and the rights of all employers, religious or not.

“And to boot,” continued Staver, “the entire law is invalid because tax bills must originate in the House, and Obamacare originated in the Senate.”

Yep, doctor shortages, medical-school dropouts, skyrocketing premiums, no money for pre-existing conditions, trillions more than promised, forced taxpayer funding of abortion, critical health-care rationing and a bankrupt nation.

Welcome to America’s fall.

Welcome to Obamacare.

Zombies eat brains. If they weren’t already dead, they’d most certainly starve to death on the squalid diet of grey matter served-up by Obama, Reid, Pelosi and every other cracked skull who voted to open the curtain on this unconstitutional Obamacare freak show.

Thankfully, Chief Justice Roberts, whom I strongly suspect regrets voting to uphold it, looks to have another chance to bury it once and for all.

I wonder if that was his strategy all along.

I sure hope so.
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Post  BlueShoes1 on 3/4/2013, 9:40 am

Two comments: (1) What's the source? (2) I hope Seabird doesn't drop by.
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Post  Administrator on 3/4/2013, 10:43 am

http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/03/killing-the-obamacare-zombie-hope-lives/



I still don't understand how I mis-read this situation after the court ruling last year......I said "all is not as it seems".

One thing's for sure......people have nobody to blame but themselves. They put the noose around their own neck, without even knowing it. They are only now beginning to realize what they've done.......
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Post  ColtsKurt on 3/4/2013, 11:49 am

Said it before... will say it again...

While I may not like the current version of Obamacare... I believe that it was the right thing to do. This country should be ashamed of itself how we've let the situation get to where it is. Heathens in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, (and on and on) have and get better care than some citizens of the United States. Sure, the plan now on the table has its problems. BUT it is a starting place. AT LEAST BO WAS ABLE TO DO SOMETHING! He got the train rolling. WE AS A NATION NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN BEFORE WE WORRY ABOUT OTHERS ELSEWHERE. I don't give a rat's ass if some kid in Africa or the middle east doesn't have clean drinking water or a good school. Guess what... there are kids here, in the USofA, that don't have those either!

sorry.
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Post  Administrator on 3/4/2013, 1:06 pm

Kurt, the issue here is a simple choice:

Do we want the government control........

or.......


Do we want the private sector control.


History clearly shows that the private sector is VASTLY more capable of guiding our economy and nation, compared to the........government.


Free Market Capitalism keeps the economy in balance.


Government intervention unbalances the equation. Look to the events leading up to the Great Depression as an example. Look to our current situation as an example shout

Politicians only understand politics (special interests), and not the workings of the economy. This is because politicians are motivated by personal interest. This is what drives them....whether that be their own private interests, or some political idealology.......it's the same thing.

Government dominance creates dictatorship, which is where we're headed.

Free Market Capitalism creates competition, and thereby opportunity......and freedom..........and limited government.


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Post  cravnravn on 3/4/2013, 2:43 pm

I want the Govt to take control, the private sector has totally fucked the system in the ass with the biggest telephone pole they could find..

Chec k this out;

I have a younger Son, hes 22, hes Mr knowitall, he moved back north and proceeded to get injured, not at work..And injured badly I might add..My pension would have covered him, IF HE WAS STILL IN SCHOOL, of course he isnt...



So, I finally get him back South, no one will treat him because of him having no insurance..We find a chiroprator, that will not take me over the coals. He has seen my son 3 times a week since Christmas, hes getting very little improvement, the Chiropractor said a MRI is needed..He sets us up at an imagining center,



I know what MRI's cost, they are upwards of 1800..we go there, and tell them my Sons story, and they do the MRI for 300 cash..



I dont get the price difference between, if you have Insurance or cash, If a company can do an MRI for 300 cash vs 1800 with insurance, some sort of investigation is needed.
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Post  Magic on 3/4/2013, 5:11 pm

More BS

So now we have had libs saying Obama Care has saved us all over and over when the damn farce has not even taken affect yet.

I also don't think we should send the billions to africa or any other country like we always do.

BUT we give billions away to illegals HERE

WTF?

Libs support that BS

AND btw I started my REAL fun in the hospital with 8 years of GWB.....the guy libs bitch and moan about and still blame him for all the lazy ass BHO problems......you know the guy who hangs out with rappers and hollywood and Tiger Woods to play all that golf and vacation over and over.........if you don't have insurance here in the USA you just walk into the emergency room and they take care of you and do not charge a penny!!!

AFTER THAT you get doctors and professionals testing what ever your problem is for not one penny.....you know the penny we have these days that is't made of copper.

Hell so GWB did what???

He kicked me out on the street and said no health care for me???

Fuck NO he didn't.

Of course a libocRat will say that I was taken care of because I voted for GWB both times.

Same with my wife........she never got booted from a hospital and both of us are taken care of all the fucking time.

BUT now that we have this BHO plan we see shit coming in the mail (another waste of millions) trying to cut this and that......yeah isn't that great.

Talking about cutting some of our prescriptions.......and things the doctor wants to have checked at a specialist.....but of course THAT will not apply to illegals who voted for that jackass puppet.

This country has more gangsters running the voting than ever before......fake votes to pass shit all over the place......from this health crap to making weed legal for all the dopes that elect these clowns.......and oh boy lets get that gay vote too and hell teach the kids in school that gay is the way.

It's ok to be a freak and just party all day and get that gov check and sit down and smoke the weed and make plans on how you can fuck the country up even more........hell go out on the streets and use all your energy protesting and making the place look like trash.

Next we will have all drugs legalized and fucking goats in the ass legal and marriage between a man and a dog and women lez making millions because they are gay and we need to show everyone how great they are adopting kids to raise them as freaks thanks to the money they are payed by idiots in this country.

Hell we have our tokens in every tv and movie show.

Have to put in a few queers in each show because they are just fucking great and of course stick in some mexicans and ricans and muslims and africans just to remind us this is the good old USA where we except any kind of freak you can think of.

Now we even have tv channels showing us every different kind of freak we have here and yet libs either close their eyes or just say "all men are equal" here.....well those freaks better stay away from me.

If I was the King of the USA I would load every damn freak up and ship them on my new Black Star Liner to Africa and all those islamic sand hell holes and let them teach those fuckers how to live.

And then ban all ships and planes from landing on this soil called the USA with the north and south borders CLOSED

Grow our own food here and make our own fucking fuel.

This country is also filled with millions of stupidass kids who learned this way of life thanks to this left-wing BS

A career of smoking weed,getting drunk,and then thinking they are owed money from the government and wtf.....they get it.

I didn't grow up in a rich family and never used a silver fucking spoon.

I did it on my own and I never had to dye my hair pink and make it into a mohawk or put my hat on sideways and my pants down around my knees with a gun shoved into my hanes that have Micheal Jordans name on them with my expensive Nike's payed for by robbing the neighbors and then made out to be what is "cool" in our society.

I may not live to be an old timer but I sure as hell will never move from my property here because town is still far enough away that the freaks will not be on my side of the fence very often.

BUT of course every town and city in the USA is full of crooks and freaks who actually VOTE for the Opuppet and all the puppeteers.,

In and out of jail over and over with lid supporters bailing them out and hell if you murder any innocent old timers here you will get lawyers jumping on the case to spend millions and billions of tax payers money to defend those OBVIOUSLY GUILTY MF'ers.

And hell in Texas where they might actually get the death penalty they STILL get libs crying and bitching and defending the guilty fucks and on the day the millions are all spent and they go to put the murders to sleep like a sick dog with a intravenous drug because hell it wouldn't be nice to put em in the chair or string em up of shoot those fuckers.

These 21st century hippies and their parents now running the show and bitching about how GWB wasted all our money paying our military and the companies that build things here for our military......and him and the VP hiding all that oil in their back yards..........and now we get all these TRILLIONS added to the debt setting records that pass all the other Presidents combined!!!

TAX TAX TAX now those evil company owners.......so THEY can pay the way for all those lazy-ass freaks who turned weed into medical marijuana and then into a daily part of their healthy diet.

But hell wtf do I know.......grew up out in the sticks and went to a tiny little school where the teachers were not all that bright.......had no rich relatives handing me anything........no neighbors setting me up with a job........so I had to figure it out myself and now I have a nice 5 acre place with a nice house that I built all payed for and still after all my health problems I do ALL the work here and don't whine to BHO or the goof lib broads that have run this State for decades.....pay my property taxes early......taught myself how to do all the things I have been doing for a long time now.

Build my house,wire my house,build my computers,taught myself cosmology,high energy particle physics and quantum mechanics,worked for the Cern LHC testing and design of the LHC since 2004 and for the Max Plank Institute Einstein Project working with the physicists around the world who actually do the work and don't look for a tv show on the science channel.

Taught myself several languages,and did things like building my own satellite dish over 30 years ago and actually knew what microwave communications means (no not a microwave to heat your hot dog to go with a Miller Lite) and even figured out how to use it to watch the NASA Select backhaul feed and high-tech college classes on the dish instead of HBO and porn channels.

AND....thank G_D I saved plenty of money in my private stash to cover my bills in the future until BHO is retired and put on stamps and the $3 bill in this thing we call His-Story

And hopefully some of the lib BS will be taking a 180 back to where it was.

Oh yeah it was GWB that made gas $3.90 and trillions of dollar going to freaks and soon paying for and supporting them with free medical weed.

Ok my only post on this thread......probably won't read any replies....breakfast time and then out to toss the wild critters some food......you know ducks,birds,and fish....not fucking tax swallowing ramborampage freaks.

one_finger_salute bs Rolling Eyes rambo sucks pissed cowboy wave lol laughing thankya cheerstoyou

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Post  BlueShoes1 on 3/4/2013, 5:20 pm

Wait...Miller Lite? WTF? happy2
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Post  cravnravn on 3/5/2013, 3:21 am

AND btw I started my REAL fun in the hospital with 8 years of GWB.....the guy libs bitch and moan about and still blame him for all the lazy ass BHO problems......you know the guy who hangs out with rappers and hollywood and Tiger Woods to play all that golf and vacation over and over.........if you don't have insurance here in the USA you just walk into the emergency room and they take care of you and do not charge a penny!!!

AFTER THAT you get doctors and professionals testing what ever your problem is for not one penny.....you know the penny we have these days that is't made of copper.

Hell so GWB did what???

He kicked me out on the street and said no health care for me???

Fuck NO he didn't.

Of course a libocRat will say that I was taken care of because I voted for GWB both times.

Same with my wife........she never got booted from a hospital and both of us are taken care of all the fucking time.


WAIT, you need to call me then. Caus when I took Nick to the hospital:

1. he mistakingly told them at first that he had no insurance, they proceeded to make the kid wait 7 hours to be seen.
2. We he finally got seen, no x rays were taken, they asked him to touch his toes, which he couldnt do.
3.They write him 2 perscriptions, and tell him that he needs to go to an Orthepedic Specialist, but without insurance there is no sence in them giving him a referral.
4. The ER sends him a bill for 382 bucks..LOL


How can an ER Doctor make a determination that he needs to see a Ortho Dr, without even taking a xray? and secondly if treatment is prescribing pills to any walkin, well then no wonder half of America is an addict..

Im serious, you need to contact me and inform me how you get treated with no insurance.
I found a Chiro down here that treats him 3 times a week at a very reduced rate, hes the one that found us the place to get an MRI at 350.00. But even at the Chiro's reduced rate, Im still 1700.00 in the hole.
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Post  ColtsKurt on 3/5/2013, 11:24 am

I'd suggest that most here check out the Time magazine fron a week or two back. VERY good article about why healthcare takes such a huge chunk of our spendable income. The front cover has a big bayer aspirin on it... Very interesting. AND informative.

It'll piss you off. No doubt.

THAT'S why I'm all for a government run or administered health insurance plan for all. If you'd like to go outside the plan and pay for the "good" docs, be my guest.

Personally, I think medical marijuana is a good idea. It helps, its is natural, and the govt. can tax and regulate the hell out of it. We could cut the annual expenditures on "the war on drugs," reduce the prison/jail population 10 fold, lighten the load on the court system, and on and on and on....
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Post  ColtsKurt on 3/5/2013, 11:29 am

BlueShoes1 wrote:Wait...Miller Lite? WTF? happy2

Like button pressed.

Coors Light. Or Leinenkugle Summer Shandy. Or a small brewer's batch out of Kentucky that does something in their process to use bourbon barrels... the end product itches my scratch... or vicea versa... whatever. ITS REAL GOOOOOD.
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Post  BlueShoes1 on 3/5/2013, 4:26 pm

Yuengling black and tan (which is available BTW here in Florida in the super market). chug
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Post  Magic on 3/5/2013, 11:45 pm

BlueShoes1 wrote:Yuengling black and tan (which is available BTW here in Florida in the super market). chug


I have tried them all over the years but not more than one or two in the same week since I decided to quit the booze back when I was 29

I did have fun brewing the best ales ever here at home (Taddy Porters,Nut Brown Ale and Pale Ales and a couple of my own versions of ales testing different grains and hops and still have all the equiptment too cheerstoyou )


CRAVN.....email me and I will reply about the health stuff........since I never know if you cats have changed email addy's and I never do.

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Post  cravnravn on 3/6/2013, 2:46 am

BlueShoes1 wrote:Yuengling black and tan (which is available BTW here in Florida in the super market). chug


One stop shopping down here, I get the groceries, plants, beer, smokes, clothes, haircut, banking, taxes done, the Mrs gets her nails done...and theres a Subway to boot, all under Super Wal Marts roof..Love it
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Post  ColtsKurt on 3/6/2013, 6:58 am

cravnravn wrote:
BlueShoes1 wrote:Yuengling black and tan (which is available BTW here in Florida in the super market). chug


One stop shopping down here, I get the groceries, plants, beer, smokes, clothes, haircut, banking, taxes done, the Mrs gets her nails done...and theres a Subway to boot, all under Super Wal Marts roof..Love it

Am I going to see you show up in one of those "Wal-Martians" emails with the pics of crazy people spotted in the local WalMarts? Let me change this... WHEN are we going to see you...
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Post  Administrator on 3/6/2013, 10:32 am

lol


Nobody can rant on and on and on.......and on and on......and on, like Magic lol


But he makes good points smile



I would be afraid to run into Cravn at Walmart whoa


Especially near the gun section ohshit

It would be like a scene from Dirty Harry, running from isle to isle, popping off rounds by the dozen lol
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Post  BlueShoes1 on 3/6/2013, 10:54 am

Eventually he'd have to go outside for one of his smoke breaks. That's when you ambush him.
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Post  Administrator on 3/6/2013, 11:00 am

I'll pop out from behind the shopping carts that are next to the astray, and I'll start spraying lead (also known as "ground surpression").
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Post  ColtsKurt on 3/6/2013, 11:55 am

BlueShoes1 wrote:Eventually he'd have to go outside for one of his smoke breaks. That's when you ambush him.


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Post  cravnravn on 3/6/2013, 2:15 pm

ColtsKurt wrote:
cravnravn wrote:
BlueShoes1 wrote:Yuengling black and tan (which is available BTW here in Florida in the super market). chug


One stop shopping down here, I get the groceries, plants, beer, smokes, clothes, haircut, banking, taxes done, the Mrs gets her nails done...and theres a Subway to boot, all under Super Wal Marts roof..Love it

Am I going to see you show up in one of those "Wal-Martians" emails with the pics of crazy people spotted in the local WalMarts? Let me change this... WHEN are we going to see you...


Just got back from Wal Mart, I forgot chlorine tablets booya

Search People of Wal Mart on facebook, I laugh my ass off at some of the pics..
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Post  Administrator on 3/8/2013, 11:56 am

Cravn wrote:
I dont get the price difference between, if you have Insurance or cash, If a company can do an MRI for 300 cash vs 1800 with insurance, some sort of investigation is needed.


I just read that again.


Good point.


All that easy money into the public medical programs (medicare, medicaid), along with the insurance folly........it spells: manipulation, and NOT true free markets.

Manipulation/intervention drives up prices as compared to true free market prices (which is what you paid for that MRI, $300).








Good point.
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Post  cravnravn on 3/9/2013, 1:32 am

mighty_colts wrote:Cravn wrote:
I dont get the price difference between, if you have Insurance or cash, If a company can do an MRI for 300 cash vs 1800 with insurance, some sort of investigation is needed.


I just read that again.


Good point.


All that easy money into the public medical programs (medicare, medicaid), along with the insurance folly........it spells: manipulation, and NOT true free markets.

Manipulation/intervention drives up prices as compared to true free market prices (which is what you paid for that MRI, $300).








Good point.

Yeah its crazy, now we are faced with the dilemma of, the Chiro feels he's reached hes max potential with my son, and we need to see an orthepedic surgeon. This should be fun..Maybe canadian healthcare isnt such a bad idea.

And the Chiro knows my sons situation, and sad its a shame his last name isnt Sanchez, caus he'd have insurance by now. Oh well, its time to get NASTY....We have to take on Social Security Admin!!
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Post  dblshockpwr on 3/9/2013, 11:32 am

Good friend of mine has already informed all of his employees that he will have to take them down to 30 hours a week because he can't afford to pay the insurance.

Sucks for them.
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Post  ColtsKurt on 3/9/2013, 1:19 pm

cravnravn wrote:
ColtsKurt wrote:
cravnravn wrote:
BlueShoes1 wrote:Yuengling black and tan (which is available BTW here in Florida in the super market). chug


One stop shopping down here, I get the groceries, plants, beer, smokes, clothes, haircut, banking, taxes done, the Mrs gets her nails done...and theres a Subway to boot, all under Super Wal Marts roof..Love it

Am I going to see you show up in one of those "Wal-Martians" emails with the pics of crazy people spotted in the local WalMarts? Let me change this... WHEN are we going to see you...


Just got back from Wal Mart, I forgot chlorine tablets booya

Search People of Wal Mart on facebook, I laugh my ass off at some of the pics..

Just returned myself... 65 lb of birdseed and 40 of salt for the softener. Hate to go there, but they're the closest and cheapest for the birds, er... squirrels.
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Post  cravnravn on 3/9/2013, 5:39 pm

ColtsKurt wrote:
cravnravn wrote:
ColtsKurt wrote:
cravnravn wrote:
BlueShoes1 wrote:Yuengling black and tan (which is available BTW here in Florida in the super market). chug


One stop shopping down here, I get the groceries, plants, beer, smokes, clothes, haircut, banking, taxes done, the Mrs gets her nails done...and theres a Subway to boot, all under Super Wal Marts roof..Love it

Am I going to see you show up in one of those "Wal-Martians" emails with the pics of crazy people spotted in the local WalMarts? Let me change this... WHEN are we going to see you...


Just got back from Wal Mart, I forgot chlorine tablets booya

Search People of Wal Mart on facebook, I laugh my ass off at some of the pics..

Just returned myself... 65 lb of birdseed and 40 of salt for the softener. Hate to go there, but they're the closest and cheapest for the birds, er... squirrels.


You all have a water system? Im going with the 159.00 filteration system, fuck that salt crap
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