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Get out there early!!!!!

FORWARD

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Voted !!! FORWARD yep

I really, really hope he prevails but I'm kinda expecting another four years of "backward"

I predict Obama will start out gangbusters today piling up what might be an insurmountable lead. Later in the day, Romney will make up a good deal of the gap and perhaps even close it after his voters get home from work.

You guys make sure you have a year's supply of food and other supplies....very important.

This is what I'll be doing in the next couple of years.....making sure everybody in my extended family has supply reserves. But don't make it known you have reserves......that makes you a target.

I'm no longer worried about my "retirement" or anything having to do with the future. Things are gonna get bad.

From this point on, my sole concern is survival as this land of North America is.......recalibrated.

Things are "going" to get bad Mighty? Really? How about the 8 glorious years of Bush in office..That mother fucker is so lucky a person cant get more than 2 terms, caus then you would have seen the true colors of the Republican party''His ass would have been assinated, but no his rat bastard ass is hiding in his compound in Texas.

I have this vision of what this election was all about. Imagine a snarky pedofile trolling the streets in his van, rap music booming, suspicious vapors emanating from the darkened windows, the rear doors open and swarms of clueless children jumping into the back of the van yelling "Yay! Free candy!"

I'm with Mighty...this country is going down the shitter real fast.

Oh, and Cravn, you keep sharpening up that "It's all Bush's fault bullshit" because I'm sure that'll be the constant Democratic battle cry over the next four years as "The One" remains an ineffective and clueless "leader". I truly feel for my kids and grandkids today.

Crap guys think about no shiter over the last four years so why now. I think sometimes we forget that we live in a country where the leftest lefty and the rightest righty are much better than anywhere eles in the world. There is no great plan to take over the world no plan to turn us all into commies. This is America where hate is killing us. Yes I'm a democrat but Ihope the best for all of America Red Blue I don't fucking care. I understand being pissed off and Magic will be giving me shit for 4 more years. Starting today if we don't work together we are fucked. I would go over point by point with any of you Except Magic LOL not the gay guys smokin weed thing but economic stuff. You must admit one thing you could have picked a better guy to run against Obama Romney's fliping and flopping made even the right take pause. From Kennedy to raygun the American people want someone who sticks by his guns weather you agree with them or not Mitt did not do that. In two year we will make another run at the house and we will all bitch at each other but until then it's............ TIME FOR FOOTBALL !!!!

Blue, I agree.


Cravn.......exactly what does Bush have to do with the last 4 years?

Bush was not in office the last 4 years. Obama was.

How many trillions has Obama added to our debt in four years? 4 trill? 5 trill? 6 trill?

Right now, we're about 16 trill, and by the end of this coming 4 years, we will be about 20 trillion in debt, along with over 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

And with Obamacare now a reality, we are gonna lose JOBS by the bushel, because MANY businesses will either be forced to let people go, or they will only hire part time workers in order to get around the Obamacare laws.

I've heard estimates of between 20% and 45% of doctors in North America will either retire or will no longer accept Medicare patients because of Obamacare.

And then we have the coming reality of......inflation. Out of control spending to support an unsustainable socialist nanny state with all of its welfare, food stamps, free cell phones, ect ect. Borrowing and printing money is how it's funded. Inflation results.

Gas prices will rise, thus raising the cost of everything we buy, including.....FOOD.



So....I strongly recommend that everybody store a year's supply of food. Although the best route is to buy freeze dried, but it's more expensive (but is good tasting food, you only add hot water and it's ready to eat, and it has a 25 year shelf life).

But you can also go to an outlet like Sam's Club and buy a years supply of canned storage food for two people, for around $2600.


Don't forget the other stuff we take for granted.....rechargable batteries and a decent solar generator to recharge the batteries. You can buy a good solar generator for a few hundred bucks.

Don't forget to store your meds if it has a decent shelf life.




So......being well stocked is always a good idea. There are a lot of people in Jersey and NY who wished they were well stocked. And we could be seeing a lot more of that kind of weather event to go along with the reality of a bankrupt socialist nanny state (which half of North America's population supports), as we all head into a bleak dismal future.

I feel sorry for the upcoming generation who are going to be handed a destroyed economy in the coming years (although many of them also support what happened yesterday).


What happened yesterday is called......national suicide.

Okay a few facts 1st Obama passed the middle class cuts the GOP voted against it.
tax cuts for small biz Obama supported it GOP voted against it.
Obamacare as you call it will make sure my cancer survior stem cell transplant wife will live. Rate for insurance will go down the pool will get larger.
even papa john mitt's big supporter said it will raise the price of his pizza by 15 cents guess what my wife is worth 15 cents.
Fact is the econmoey has got better and if the Republican'ts will get oit of the way and let us invest in America there will be more jobs. So please stop watching FOX Glenn Beck and Rush. get your facts from objective sources.

Don't watch FOX, listen to Rush, or vote for Obama or Romney. Voted for Gary Johnson.

While I understand your concern for your wife's condition and insurance (I've been there and done that before my wife lost her battle 9 years ago), OBAMACARE will cripple the economy. Can't possibly sugar-coat it any way.

Democrats have failed to pass a budget for the last 3 years, voting instead to fund the government on continuing spending resolutions. Any budget the House presented to the Senate was tabled by Harry and the boys and never voted on. The Democratic congress vetoed both of Obama's last two budgets. This country cannot continue to be run by spending money we don't have. 16 trillion and counting -- $51,600 per every man, woman and child in the country including your grandchildren.

Obama has failed to 'reach across the aisle" as they say on multiple occasions. He doesn't do compromise. He will continue to fail at any attempt to reach conciliation with Congress. The country will suffer. His golf game might improve, he can fly to the next Byonce concert on our dime, and his wife and kids can vacation in Europe on our dime.

I'm old enough that the mess might hold off until I'm gone. Others here will eventually realize that the nation just turned a corner to the point where we've become a nation of "takers" instead of a nation of makers. The makers will close up shop and/or relocate to other countries over the next few decades. Democrats and "progressives" will control things for the foreseeable future since their whole package is about spending and building a more dependent society. Good luck with that.

This lady's blog says it better than I can. Worth the read and, after reading it, take a breath and think about it.

http://accordingtohoyt.com/2012/11/05/weve-come-to-the-end-of-cake/

obama-care has not even taken effect yet so that had nothing at all to do with any of that.

You have never watched Fox News so that is just a lib line.

barry obama didn't pass anything other than 7 trillion dollars to the deficit.

Mitt actually ran a State as a politician and obama did not.

Mitt ran businesses and obama set a record in Chicago for getting the most to sign up and vote the way he told them to vote there

His foreign affairs skills came from Chicago so his claiming to have them is pure bs.

He was taught by Rev Wright and his muslim father just as he himself said in his own book.

ANd not one of the politicians in this State cares about the people they con into getting votes from......seconds after the election they get back to work to make more money and move up the list in politics.

They aren't going to pay you a dime for doing that all the time.

I wonder how people that will continue to lose jobs will feel now.....I guarantee Cantwell will not look in the direction of anyone that pushed her can't-well bs.

The debt will just keep on rising and the blaming of GWB will continue for 4 More Years.

I didn't just fall off the politics turnip truck and I never had a Union tell me what to do.



This is 80% of the obama voters




I'll post the week 10 picks later today but am a bit under the weather right now and going back to bed.

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Guys I'm not going to get in to it with you. The budget you speak is blocked by the GOP Filabuster ring a bell. The budget for which you speak was stripped by the GOP removing funding to the interastruture. A lot of what they voted againt were things they have always supported by the Republicans. In fact the Interstate system was IKE. Blue just like Magic I respect your point I know a bit about Gary and I disagree with him on many points but he is what Republicans use to be like. I miss Nixon LOL I still remember when Magic mowed NIXON in his lawn I loved it. I will say that if we took money out of politics the ideas of the "Other Guys" could get out there for all of us to see. As long as they spend big money on political races we will be a two party system. AGAIN FOOTBALL if you guys don't keep your eyes on Bookies I will win my third in a row !!

Quite frankly, Seabird, the Bookie Challenge is the least of my thoughts today. I'm looking at the stock market drop over 300 points and wondering if I'll make it through to "the end" of retirement.

seabird wrote:Crap guys think about no shiter over the last four years so why now. I think sometimes we forget that we live in a country where the leftest lefty and the rightest righty are much better than anywhere eles in the world. There is no great plan to take over the world no plan to turn us all into commies. This is America where hate is killing us. Yes I'm a democrat but Ihope the best for all of America Red Blue I don't fucking care. I understand being pissed off and Magic will be giving me shit for 4 more years. Starting today if we don't work together we are fucked. I would go over point by point with any of you Except Magic LOL not the gay guys smokin weed thing but economic stuff. You must admit one thing you could have picked a better guy to run against Obama Romney's fliping and flopping made even the right take pause. From Kennedy to raygun the American people want someone who sticks by his guns weather you agree with them or not Mitt did not do that. In two year we will make another run at the house and we will all bitch at each other but until then it's............ TIME FOR FOOTBALL !!!!

See the part I highlighted? Obama cannot work together with anyone. His idea of compromise is "my way or the highway". Like he told congress in the early months of 2009 after his election: "The election's over. I won. Elections have consequences." Yep, that sure helped get things off to a good start. Then, when discussing Obamacare in the early days, his chief of staff Rohm Emanuel (now the wonderful mayor of Chicago) said "We've got the votes. Fuck'em."

The country turned a corner yesterday. And, I'm afraid there's no turning back.

Okay I asked you to stop but here we go. First Obama made every attempt to work with them(Republicans) keeping the Bush tax cuts is one example. You seem to think we forget that it was supply side econmoics that got ushere as it always does. Your buddies on the right said no to revenue to the point of shutting down the government. It is the tea party who will not work with anyone even their fellow republicans. Now to your buddy mitt his plan simply did not add up every economist said it would not add up. The only support were from people working on his campaign. You see there was a time when the cut cut plan didn't hurt the avg. joe like you and me. Now it does fire dept police jobs are falling off not because of Obama because of the cut cut cut. We have gone to far. History tells us supply side does not work outside of a classroom Coolige Harding and Hoover, Raygun and Bush 1 then W all supply siders all busted the debit and killed jobs. Blue you really didn't say anything you just claimed something. Again I get your pissed about Obama but it won't help. I think we need to look at facts. Try factcheck.org or check numbers with the CBO that's where I get my info I watch both CNN and MSNBC to hear what the talking heads have to say. Blue we may not agree on the path but we both want best for Ammerica. Make claims all you want I want facts to play with it's more fun. Again I do politics for a living( my first campaign was 1968) so I don't want to work here and people like Magic I love like a brother I refuse to talk politics with him we just know we disagree so that's the way I will keep it.

Mighty:

You asked what Bush had to do with the past 4 years? Come on man, he started a snowball so fast down a mountain, and got his ass out of the white house. I wished a Rep would have won 4 years ago, NOBODY was getting us out of the mess, Bush put us in.

Colon Powell said it best, Bush put us so deep in a recession, that some call it a depression.

Bush knew Fannie & Freddie were in deep shit, Bush knew that GM & Ford, were on the verge of bankruptcy..Bush had one agenda, Ignore our country, full steam ahead on the war for oil..which he also failed at.

They had it on FOX yesterday AM, 53% of Americans at the exit polls still blame Bush for where we are at yesterday, they didnt ask ME or it would have been 53.1

Both of you have my sympathies if you refuse to acknowledge where this country is headed. I'm done here.

Blue I worry about someone who does not use facts.

Cravn, yeah, Bush deserves his share of the blame.


But you have to understand one thing......the reason for the financial meltdown in '07 and '08 was because of the housing bubble that popped. And that housing bubble was begun by democrats and supported by republicans....this idea that owning a house wasn't a priviledge to be earned, but an entitlement from the government.

As a result, the democrats lliterally told banks to pass out mortgages to almost ANYBODY who asked for one......many banks didn't even run a credit and employment check on a person asking for a mortgage.

There were people on wefare and food stamps being given 150k loans, who then made interest-only payments.


So.....that entire farse was a democrat idea. But the republicans, including Bush, went along with it.


Now, it's true Obama walked into a bad situation......but all he did was make it even WORSE:

Almost 7 trillion more in debt in just 4 years.

A destructive health care takeover that will bring the economy back into recession and will cost countless jobs as businesses and companies lay people off because they can't afford to employ them because of Obamacare. This has already begun now, all over the country. Look for "official" unemployment to be over 10% by the end of next year, probably by next summer....but the actual number will be well over 20%.

Obama spent hundreds of billions of "stimulus" money and has almost NOTHING to show for it. No jobs, nothing. Sure, he bailed out GM that saved some jobs in the short-term, but overall, Obama took a bad situation 4 years ago and made it much worse.


So the point is, Bush had nothing to do with what Obama has done the last 4 years.

seabird wrote:Blue I worry about someone who does not use facts.

1...2...3 Take a deep breath. The man means well, Blue. He really does. 1...2...3

seabird wrote:Blue I worry about someone who does not use facts.

Maybe you're referring to your impression of Romney as one who did not use facts. True. But neither did/does Obama. Politicians are born liars. I accept that. If you're talking about me, here's a fact:

Last month (October) was the first month of the current fiscal year for our government. We borrowed an additional $200 billion. One month. $200 billion. There are 12 months in a year. If we continue on that pace, the added federal debt will be $2.4 trillion for this fiscal year alone. Add that to the current debt of $16.25 trillion. Then consider that the interest payment on that national debt is currently $455 billion per year.

The idiots in Washington (and that would include Obama) are about to try to negotiate the pending "fiscal cliff" issue (they will find another way to "kick the can down the road") and, some time in late January early February, they will once again need to approve raising the national debt ceiling (Harry Reid is floating a $3+ trillion dollar proposal at this point).

Obama had better learn to lead like a president is supposed to lead. And this means negotiating, selling, arm twisting, compromising and some times being willing to eat crow to get results. From my observation of the man his first four years he's not good at any of these things (Read Woodward's "The Price of Politics"). Obama's a finger pointer and blame dodger and I suspect it will continue as he and Harry try to deal with what they perceive to be intransigence from the House. During his campaign, he and uncle Joe tore into Republicans pretty hard --- "Gonna put you all back in chains!", "Vote for revenge!", etc. His rhetoric and politicking have driven a wedge in this country and polarized it through his class warfare drivel. Now he's all of a sudden gonna need some cooperation from those very same people. What are the odds he'll get it? Of course, then it can all be the Tea Party's fault because, for politicians like Obama, it all comes down to identifying whose fault something is as opposed to really fixing the problems for the country.

I don't need your worry, Seabird. Worry about the country and the sad state of "leadership" it seems willing to elect.

By the way......saying that we are all headed into a "bleak and dismal future" was probably kind of.......harsh


But hey.....it was immediately after the election results, so cut me some slack.


But I am convinced that Obamacare will send us back into recession and much higher unemployment next year.....so I guess that if you are one of the people who are put out of work because of Obamacare, then I guess your outlook would indeed be "bleak and dismal".

Why hsn't any of this happened ? we had four years to fuck it up ? That both sides addto the problem but we have cut too much gone to far. Your fear in Obama care is based in what you think not what you know. Tell me when supply side has worked ? How did we get to the fiscal cliff ? We put everything on the table and the "tea Party " would not give one cent in taxes. So when you blame make sure you read up on what happened. FYI we didn't start the class war the rich have been waging war since the 80's. The differance in income between rich and poor is at it's biggest since the 1930's. When someone works 40 hours a week and still needs help that's war. Do I think both side are full of shit ? Yes but I disagree with supply side econ and I can give examples through out history to back up the fact it does not work. Tax cuts need to be targeted to the middle class unlike the 1% they will reinvest not because they want to but because the have too. Again I think both sides are to blame but the GOP or the supply side way out will not work. But until both side give up the all or nothing plan and get back to work. Blue factcheck.org